I asked my colleagues in hk... he said the 'high salary' thingy only applies to those who joined when the faculty salary scale was still referencing the civil servant salary scale...回覆刪除
New comers are not getting paid as much although now the universities have highly flexibility to give high paid if they want for very talented researchers.
Even that, as far as I know, faculty salaries in HK are still much higher than those in the US or the UK.
Really? I thought the salary for US professors is only for 9-month work?回覆刪除
If they can get enough research funding, they would be able to receive the summer months (3 months) salary out of the funding... (I am not sure if there are differences between research universities and colleges focused on teaching)
If we compare those who manage to receive 12-month pay with the hk profs, probably the before tax salary is not as big a difference as we first perceived?
Yes, most US professors have a 9-month contract and can work in the summer for extra money, but I guess professors in HK can do the same too. Talking about a 9-month contract is a bit misleading, for the salary is paid in 12 months. So we can simply compare yearly salaries. Besides, on top of their salaries, professors in HK have housing allowances.
While the professors in the US might get paid for summer month, Hong Kong professors paids are always 12 months. They don't get more paid even if they are awarded with big research funding.回覆刪除
Housing allowances are history mostly. Universities in HK have been cutting back on that since a long while ago. New comers have no housing allowance at all.
I do believe the before tax income for HK professors would probably be higher but not by much... The thing is considered the housing cost in hk, maybe they deserve to get a bit higher paid?
In the U.S., it is not uncommon to have a starting salary at $40K on a 9-month contract for tenure-track assistant professors in the humanities and social sciences. Summer teaching is not a guarantee, and very few professors can get a grant that would cover the salary for them to do their research.回覆刪除
But those who manage to get a tenure-track job is supposed to count their blessings and suffer from survivor's guilt. At least we are not the freeway flyers adjuncting at three different colleges to patch enough a poverty-level income without health benefits.
For people who finally get tenured, they can apply for sabbatical to take time off from teaching to focus on their research and live with with a pay cut.
With the student loans they have accumulated through the years, it's very hard for the humanities and social science faculty to survive on that income, if they are single or they don't have a spouse in a high-paying profession. To save money, a lot of the faculty at my university pack their lunches instead of eating at the cafeteria (can't afford paying $5-6 for a crappy lunch). It's sad also to see what cars some of us drive.
I know what you mean 匿名. My lab (when I was a student) used to face the parking lot... however, I think it is not just due to income level, but also academics tend care less about 'flashy' things.回覆刪除
OTOH, I am in science and engineering and those of my friends who are still in the States do well and have no problem supporting themselves for extra summer month paid. I think in the States, there are great heterogeneity in terms of professor's paid...
Whether we are in the US, UK, HK, Singapore, etc, in a sense we all know what we are getting ourselves into before we start. We are not going to have a luxurious life. At this point in life, most of my college friends are making twice or even three times my salary... Yet, I think I am the happiest.
//Housing allowances are history mostly.//
I am not sure that's true. Anyway, for an assistant professor position in the humanities, the starting salary is around $50K in the US, but it is around $70K in HK. It's a big difference.
Don't take me wrong, I am not complaining. However, I do think salaries for professors here are a little too low.
What you described might sound unbelievable to some, but it's true. I am doing all right because I didn't have student loan and my wife works, but some of my colleagues are really living on quite a tight budget. It's sad.
//Housing allowances are history mostly.//回覆刪除
Not really in my university.
An additional piece of information: profs can get extra money when they teach self-financed programmes - as you may know, currently all taught postgraduate programmes in HK are self-financed.
just some info about new assistant prof salary (per month)in hk:回覆刪除
a. basic: $4xxxx/month (mid 40k's)
b. housing: $1xxxx/month (lower 10k's) (however, there is some self contribution scheme in place, so actually one only gets half.)
c. extra from teaching self-financing program:
-polyu n hkust: $2xxxx/$8xxxx (that is per semester)(some programs in hkust pays more)
-the rest: none
d. across departments: same pay scale for basic salary (including business school)
So if you are teaching MBA (self-financing program) in hkust, you can make a lot. Otherwise...
HK$4xxxx per month is about US$70k.
Thanks for clarifying...回覆刪除
What you said reminded me of the salary difference across departments in the US.
2.5 years ago, my friend got an tenure track offer from a private university and his basic salary was >US$65k (+summer salary if he can find the funding). My other friend who started 2 years ago in a state school (your system) was offered US$60k (+summer salary)...
So these people, who are in science and engineering, actually would earn more before tax salary than their hk counterparts if they manage to get paid in the summer. Thus US is offering very competitive package on top of its research resources to attract talents in science and engineering.
I guess this is what you would like to highlight one of our older posts... why people in humanities got paid less.
I think people in the humanities are paid less because there are too many of them and because there are not many options for them besides teaching.
I work at a unionized university in the US - both faculty and classified staff are unionized. The monthly salary of an Assistant Professor of Philosophy is around $3100 (9-month contract), and the monthly salary of a secretary with some years of experience can be around $2900 (12-month contract). Both have health benefits. The staff enjoy a great deal of job security as they are unionized. Staff work only 9-5, but assistant professors in philosophy work their butts off teaching and writing.
Thanks for your information.