20120805

不是中國人?

一個香港華人(下稱「小華」)和一個美國華人(下稱「大華」)討論他們是否該稱自己為中國人。

小華:香港人,可以是唐人、華人,但不是中國人。在近代,叫自己做中國人,是有國籍意義的,並不是文化意義的。以前的香港人,不叫自己做中國人,稱自己做唐人。

大華:我是在香港長大的,從小都覺得自己是香港人,也是中國人;至於「唐人」一詞,我在香港很少聽到別人用,反而是到了美國後,才間中聽到一些華僑自稱唐人。

小華:我在新界的鄉間長大,那裏大家都稱自己為唐人,我的經驗才有代表性,你的沒有。

大華:這個嘛 …

小華:閒話少說,你看,我們講的是唐話,寫的是唐字,食的是唐餐館、飲的是唐茶、有病食的是唐藥,稱中國故里為唐山,在海外開的是唐餐館,聚居地叫唐人埠、唐人街

大華:我只知漢字,不懂甚麼是唐字;「唐藥」一詞也是聞所未聞,是叫「中藥」吧。

小華:不要緊,以後就叫「唐字」和「唐藥」好了。總之,「唐」就代表中華正朔,你看香港市區的舊式洋樓,竟也叫作「唐樓」。不知何時,忽然改口,唐餐館改稱中餐館,唐餐改稱中國菜,唐茶改稱中國茶,唐人街改稱中國城,唐人改稱中國人。

大華:不是呀,至少在美國,這些詞語都有人用,沒出現過甚麼改稱或代替的情況

小華:這是枝節,無關宏旨,重要的是今時今日,叫中國人就被共產黨討便宜,香港人,要復古了。真的講血統與文化,就叫自己做唐人、華人啦。香港英雄李小龍第一部自拍片,就是《唐山大兄》,而不是什麼《中國英雄》!

大華:可是,李小龍代表的是中國功夫啊!如果自稱中國人就被共產黨討便宜,那麼說自己學中國功夫是否又被共產黨討便宜了?

小華:是呀!說自己學中華功夫或中華武術便可以了。

大華:像香港很多武館那樣叫「國術」成不成?

小華:不成,「國術」的「國」不就是「中國」嗎?一樣會被共產黨討便宜。

大華:那麼「國畫」、「國學」、「國史」、「國粹」等,全都不該用了?

小華:對,還有「中國文化」、「中國歷史」、「中國文學」、「中國哲學」等,全都有「中國」一詞在內,用了都會被共產黨討便宜,應一律用「中華」代替「中國」。

大華:可是,「中華人民共和國」裏也用了「中華」一詞,就算我們用「中華」代替「中國」,還是免不了被共產黨討便宜。

小華:那就一律用「華夏」代替「中國」或「中華」吧!我們這樣改詞換字,是香港人放棄中國的起步,共產黨驚到震呀!

大華:那麼,你是否認為柏楊的名著《醜陋的中國人》也應該改名《醜陋的唐人》或《醜陋的華人》?

小華:這個倒不必,因為醜陋的是大陸人,我們香港的唐人大多是勇武的義人,《醜陋的中國人》這個書名很恰當。

大華:但柏楊說的不只是大陸人呀!

小華:這是枝節,無關宏旨,重要的是漢賊不兩立,王業不偏安!香港城邦就是自立華夏於城邦,恢復中華,靜待大陸及台灣局勢改變,彼此締結中華邦聯,恢復華夏之天下。在香港城邦之大業、華夏之王業成功前,你和我都不是中國人!

小華講到慷慨激昂處,竟然眼泛淚光,不自禁唱起《龍的傳人》來:遙遠的東方有一條江,它的名字就叫長江,遙遠的東方有一條河,它的名字就叫黃河古老的東方有一條龍,她的名字就叫 … 

29 則留言:

  1. 王sir厲害,將陳雲facebook的文字拿來這樣玩!

    R.

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    1. 實在忍不了陳雲這種 oversimplification。

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  2. 如果我朋友打算去嶺南大學從事「華文」工作,他有志執正華文,為華文解毒,該怎樣辦?
    嶺南大學只有中文系,沒有「華文系」,也沒有「唐文系」。
    「中文」是不是「中國語文」的簡稱?這豈非被共產黨了討便宜?
    如果是這樣,這豈不是委屈了我朋友?

    我朋友是 confucian,而且非常勇武,絕非「講就兇狠」那種小人。
    我朋友該怎樣辦?

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    1. 噢﹐所謂「中文」這說法﹐本來就有點大漢沙文主義啦﹐中國有五十六個民族(至少自清到現在都是這樣)﹐大陸官方反而習慣稱作「現代漢語」(笑)
      陳某既然大叫要避用「中國」一詞﹐第一件事要做的﹐不是應該向嶺大當局要求正名﹐將「中文系」正名為「漢語系」啦(爆)

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  3. Yes, 唐尿病是唐人獨有; it can only be cured with 唐藥. (爆) --zpdrmn (borrowing 文少的(爆))

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  4. 不過真係要攪清楚。
    最好分清中囯人,中國人。
    中囯人是中華人民共和國公民,持中囯䕶照,是一個國籍。
    中國人是我們一般理解文化歷史上的意義。同現時中囯無關。
    中國有五千年歷史,中囯只有六十餘。
    所以我們是中國人或華裔人或中華人,而非中囯人( 有中囯䕶照者當作別論)。
    所以Obama 是非裔美國人,而非肯雅人。駱是美籍華人。
    不過中共企圖將「中國」接收為己用,強迫所有華人做中囯人。
    難道美籍華人都要當中囯人向中囯効忠?

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    1. Is there an overlap between「中國人」and「中国人」? Can someone belong to the two categories simultaneously?
      I trust you know that not every「中国人」could choose to change her/his citizenship and hold a different passport, even if s/he is influenced by Chinese traditional culture more than some「中國人」who are not 「中国人」. (I'm not saying that people who choose to keep their citizenship of PRC are not「中國人」, just as I don't think that 王國維, for example, who chose to keep his 'citizenship' of Qing Dynasty, is not「中國人」.)

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  5. Certainly yes, the two groups are not mutually exclusive.
    You can regard them as two different sets, there is an intersection between the two groups.
    This intersection consists of people belonging to both groups, which consists of most people living in China. But you identify them mainly as 中囯人,because they are more culturally influenced by current 中囯. Certainly there are people otherwise.

    However, a naturalised PRC citizen of American decent is 中囯人,but not 中國人/華人/華裔because he has no cultural/historical/ethnic connection to China(中國)。
    On the other hand, an American citizen of Chinese decent is considered to be 中國人/華人/華裔,but not 中囯人。中國人here may be controversial because it is confused with 中囯人。
    That is why it's better to replace 中國with 中華to avoid the confusion.

    Hence, Gary Locke is ethnic Chinese American, or 華裔美國人or both American and 中華人(非中囯人), as are many Americans of ethnic Chinese background.

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  6. //But you identify them mainly as 中囯人,because they are more culturally influenced by current 中囯.//

    The sentence "they are more culturally influence by current 中国" is incomplete. Do you mean they are more culturally influenced by current 中国 than by traditional 中國? Or you mean they are more culturally influenced by current 中国 than other people who are not living in mainland China?
    There are many Hong Kong people who are less influenced by traditional Chinese culture than by other cultures; there are also many Hong Kong people who are less influenced by traditional Chinese culture than, say, Taiwanese are. Do you regard those Hong Kong people as 中國人?

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    1. Didn't I say Gary Locke is 華人, 非中囯人?Yes, so are most overseas Chinese.
      There are exceptions of course, people like those princelings who are American citizens, but bear allegiance to PRC 中囯 are considered as 中囯人.

      It is deplorable that the term 中國is manipulated by the CCP, 中共=中囯=中國. For example, the so called '國民教育' is just '囯民教育' in disguise. As a matter of fact, 中囯=中共囯,and they should be addressed appropriately as such. If that is the case, then there would be no confusion between 中國人/華人。

      What if 中囯 has ceased to exist? There will still be 中囯人(not nationality any more, just culturally). Their numbers will dwindle gradually, and after several generations, they would be completely replaced when the Chinese population replenishes itself. Then China would revert to 中國 with its traditional values. There would be no further justification to distinguish between 中國/中華any more, they become one again.

      The 中囯with foreign values is just an aberration of the long Chinese history.

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    2. I never challenge the distinction between 中國 and 中華人民共和國: the former is a country and the latter is a state. But why does it follow that people under the reign of 中華人民共和國 are not 中國人?Does it follow that people under the reign of 大清國 are not 中國人?This has nothing to do with whether 中華人民共和國 or 大清國 is an unjust state.

      Or, you may say that the reason why people under the reign of 中華人民共和國 are not 中國人 is that those people are not much influenced by traditional Chinese culture. But I hope you don't deny that many people in mainland China (considering the population of 1.3 billion people) are more influenced by traditional Chinese culture than many overseas 中國人, such as some Hong Kong people. Would it follow, by your logic, that the latter are less qualified to be 中國人 than the former (which I disagree)?

      According to my life experiences, a great portion (may I say half) of PRC citizens dislike CCP and regard it as an illegitimate power. If I were 陳雲 who seeks for the autonomy of Hong Kong, I would attempt to unite all Chinese people who want a democratic and liberal China. It would be both theoretically false and politically naive to exclude citizens of PRC from 中國人, or make a funny distinction between 中國人 and 中国人.

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  7. 華夷之辨、漢賊分隸、中外之分、我族與他族的對抗,皆是存在人心中的民族意識在作遂…值此奧運在英國熱烈競技之際,凡有文化中國意識的華人能因恨惡中共政政權而不為中華(囝(打不出簡体字的國字))隊加油嗎?而以華裔漢族佔人口比例為多數的國家尚有新加坡、台灣(準國家),而香港人已回歸祖國,不適應『外族』統治卻流著文化中國血液的中華民族人(血唐較淡),或可改稱自己為夷(移民)人、浪(流浪出於中原)人,甚或世界人(傾向世畀一家)、無人(無祖國可歸屬)或地球人(有別於愈來愈多傳聞出沒的外星人),一嘆!

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    1. //而香港人已回歸祖國,不適應『外族』統治卻流著文化中國血液的中華民族人(血唐較淡),或可改稱自己為夷(移民)人、浪(流浪出於中原)人,甚或世界人(傾向世畀一家)、無人(無祖國可歸屬)或地球人(有別於愈來愈多傳聞出沒的外星人)//

      唔話大陸做蠻夷,卻反而叫自己做夷人,自貶身價,邊有咁on車㗎

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    2. 若要談眾生平等﹐本來所謂華夷之辨﹐便是帶有歧視成份

      最可笑是﹐現在明明同文同種﹐自己移居香江﹐耐無返鄉下而搞到數典忘宗...咁都算﹐之後仲要學人玩sterotyping﹐明明自己「一朝學得胡人語﹐爭上城頭罵漢人」﹐卻竟然不知所謂的自封作「華夏正朔」﹐反過來將同自己同宗同族統稱作蠻夷...
      當一群人連自己宗族血脈都唔清唔楚﹐族譜無名﹑春秋二祭不回祠堂祭祖﹐四書五經通通唔識﹐竟然膽敢大談華夏禮教﹐做人聒不知恥到呢個地步﹐簡直係極品la~~

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    3. "可笑他世人妄要將漢胡路來限" quoting the lyrics of a song.
      Which 漢族人 can be sure that he has no 胡夷's blood?? After thousands of years mixing?
      --zpdrmn

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    4. 咩眾生平等,難道佛教無「附佛外道」觀念?
      唔通無分別心,就可以宗門大開任人上?

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    5. zpdrmn,
      萬水千山縱橫!

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  8. 大小二華:
    唔駛咁困擾。
    好簡單,分清楚乜係「國」、「囯」咪得囉。
    邊度用邊個字,自己揀啦。

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    1. 就算寫可以這樣分,「國」和「囯」同音,講時就分不了。

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    2. 咁又係。或者係囯前加一共字,中國vs共囯。
      好似英文China咁。
      徐非中國=China, 中囯=ZhongGuo。
      咬文嚼字真煩,都係冇計。

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    3. 我覺得簡直笑爆嘴﹐中國就係中國﹐關中共掌政咩事呢﹖
      你們硬係要玩要分﹐香港人一直以來唔係都學開老蔣以前果套﹐叫深圳河以北叫做「大陸」咩﹖

      一直叫足幾十年的大陸﹐從來無問題﹐現在連大陸人都會叫自己大陸啦...去到而家竟然有個傻瓜蛋﹐竟然倒退到因為中共掌政﹐所以唔可以認自己做中國人…

      而最開心係﹐竟然仲有班傻仔跟住癲…要講黨國不分﹐呢下就真係黨國不分啦!

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    4. 何謂國籍、族裔,胡言、漢語?
      本壇俱為有識之士,自會明辨。
      吾人無須多言。

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    5. 台灣人是否講胡語?

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  9. 中國有兩個國號(國名),兩個承傳了千年華夏文化之皇帝獨裁專制而曾經內戰了幾十年的國共兩黨,國民黨現在已步入現代社會制度而共產黨則依然堅持華夏文化的皇帝獨裁專制制度,令到已進入現代社會制度的中國人與仍然堅持皇帝制度的中國人產生矛盾,造成了兩種不同政治信仰的中國人。
    可見中國古老的獨裁文化對中國影響之深。

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  10. 她的名字就叫 … 中國!

    R.

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  11. 這是枝節,無關宏旨

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  12. 法輪功有份報紙叫做「新唐人」~

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  13. 咁「漢人」呢?冇解讀漢人既?

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