tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post5706942132594606111..comments2024-03-22T08:04:05.869-07:00Comments on 魚之樂: 我的人生賭博Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-42142942678117059162010-06-18T09:17:27.070-07:002010-06-18T09:17:27.070-07:00//到你生命結束了, 就感受唔到"輸"和"贏"所帶來的贏. ...//到你生命結束了, 就感受唔到"輸"和"贏"所帶來的贏. 那時才是你真正輸的時候.//<br /><br />對我來說,生命結束只表示再無賭博的機會,是總結一生輸贏的時候。W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-67036702530254524252010-06-18T06:42:41.245-07:002010-06-18T06:42:41.245-07:00其實我覺得你還有生命去感受這個世界, 你就是贏的了
因為這一刻, 你覺得是輸, 但學上面各位的話, ...其實我覺得你還有生命去感受這個世界, 你就是贏的了<br />因為這一刻, 你覺得是輸, 但學上面各位的話, 未來不可知, 可能將來會發生一件令你覺得其實這個"輸"是贏的. <br />到你生命結束了, 就感受唔到"輸"和"贏"所帶來的贏. 那時才是你真正輸的時候.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-79305188699311775282010-06-16T23:00:14.973-07:002010-06-16T23:00:14.973-07:00匿名,
//you can still choose not to gamble and so w...匿名,<br /><br />//you can still choose not to gamble and so will never win...//<br /><br />But some would say then you will never lose either.W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-64946510220595119372010-06-16T22:55:26.377-07:002010-06-16T22:55:26.377-07:00I guess you can't lose choosing between Oxford...I guess you can't lose choosing between Oxford and Berkeley...<br /><br />If you have plenty of chips in your hand, you can afford to take risks and gamble because you can make another bet if you lost. <br /><br />But of course, even if you have plenty of chips in your hand, you can still choose not to gamble and so will never win...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-23237251094508648422010-06-16T14:02:22.549-07:002010-06-16T14:02:22.549-07:00RandomCoil,
//So at the end, it goes back to how ...RandomCoil,<br /><br />//So at the end, it goes back to how honest we are to ourselves.//<br /><br />那輸贏的判斷,當然是要honest to onself。W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-48982421028077018692010-06-16T14:00:56.063-07:002010-06-16T14:00:56.063-07:00Meshi,
我說的比你說的複雜一點,因為有時我們不單看目標是否達到,有些之前沒有想到的因素或意外...Meshi,<br /><br />我說的比你說的複雜一點,因為有時我們不單看目標是否達到,有些之前沒有想到的因素或意外的得著也會令我們認為自己嬴了。此外,之前的目標後來可能會變,那麼評估又會因之而變了。W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-7971205149393755672010-06-16T13:54:31.825-07:002010-06-16T13:54:31.825-07:00Wong,
If you are in the mood, you would easily en...Wong,<br /><br />If you are in the mood, you would easily enlighten me!<br /><br />//這輸贏的判斷雖然涉及問心,但很大程度上是對自己的處境的評價。//<br />So at the end, it goes back to how honest we are to ourselves.RandomCoilhttp://boundaryinterfaces.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-51749238569613616452010-06-16T13:51:41.627-07:002010-06-16T13:51:41.627-07:00所謂贏,不就是達到自己想達到的目標嗎?所謂輸,不就是達不到自己想達到的目標嗎?目標是可以很個人(主觀...所謂贏,不就是達到自己想達到的目標嗎?所謂輸,不就是達不到自己想達到的目標嗎?目標是可以很個人(主觀?)的,但是否達到目標卻是可以客觀觀察的。譬如說,王生想當哲學教授,結果真的當上了,那不就是贏了嗎?Meshihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12656065273291410573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-28362654210159321942010-06-16T11:46:58.512-07:002010-06-16T11:46:58.512-07:00CYC,
這輸贏的判斷雖然涉及問心,但很大程度上是對自己的處境的評價。CYC,<br /><br />這輸贏的判斷雖然涉及問心,但很大程度上是對自己的處境的評價。W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-40963481993884395032010-06-16T11:44:23.638-07:002010-06-16T11:44:23.638-07:00RandomCoil,
一談主觀/客觀,我都有不知從何說起的感覺。無論如何,我同意對輸嬴的判斷取決...RandomCoil,<br /><br />一談主觀/客觀,我都有不知從何說起的感覺。無論如何,我同意對輸嬴的判斷取決於你作判斷時的喜好。W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-74957002697771766332010-06-16T11:21:28.447-07:002010-06-16T11:21:28.447-07:00Wong,
謝謝。
其實我是同意你說有輸嬴可言的(哲學上好似有唔少可供分析評價工具嫁)。只是,一...Wong,<br /><br />謝謝。<br /><br />其實我是同意你說有輸嬴可言的(哲學上好似有唔少可供分析評價工具嫁)。只是,一、就同一件事,對左右輸嬴的偶然因素每個人的選取和評估都不一樣;二、學你前兩日話齋,很多時候我們在這些事情上都“問心”不足。<br /><br />(Oh,發現自己好語無倫次...)CYCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-48134714209125366912010-06-16T11:06:00.559-07:002010-06-16T11:06:00.559-07:00Wong,
你說得到,無論末來如何,此刻對輸嬴的判斷還是主觀的,因結論建基於個人喜好... Rat...Wong,<br /><br />你說得到,無論末來如何,此刻對輸嬴的判斷還是主觀的,因結論建基於個人喜好... Rational (but not necessarily objective).RandomCoilhttp://boundaryinterfaces.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-39188087516448683322010-06-16T10:52:46.896-07:002010-06-16T10:52:46.896-07:00CYC,
//我覺得,這就是問題了。可能我不了解你和你上面提的那位朋友具體情況,像找教職的事,太多...CYC,<br /><br />//我覺得,這就是問題了。可能我不了解你和你上面提的那位朋友具體情況,像找教職的事,太多偶然因素了(比如哲學,一封推薦信,不同分支和題目,就業上就有很大差異)。//<br /><br />對,但一般賭博的情況也一樣,除了你下的注,還有很多你不知的因素決定了結果。雖然如此,也可講輸嬴。<br /><br />//你在Oxford,不一定就會找不到工作。//<br /><br />我不是說一定,只是very likely。假如我去了牛津最後又得到個穩定的教席,我便會認為自己賭嬴了。<br /><br />//那我很可能是輸定了//<br /><br />將來誰知呢?無論如何,你已下了注...W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-85046977654341295442010-06-16T10:46:46.318-07:002010-06-16T10:46:46.318-07:00RandomCoil,
//在將來不可預測下,其實什麽是嬴,什麽是輸也是很主觀的。//
將來不可...RandomCoil,<br /><br />//在將來不可預測下,其實什麽是嬴,什麽是輸也是很主觀的。//<br /><br />將來不可知,所以輸嬴的判斷只是就目前所知而作的,以後可能會變。不過,這並不表示現在的判斷只是主觀的。W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-74577146506564815572010-06-16T10:43:23.383-07:002010-06-16T10:43:23.383-07:00一、我覺得,這就是問題了。可能我不了解你和你上面提的那位朋友具體情況,像找教職的事,太多偶然因素了(...一、我覺得,這就是問題了。可能我不了解你和你上面提的那位朋友具體情況,像找教職的事,太多偶然因素了(比如哲學,一封推薦信,不同分支和題目,就業上就有很大差異)。你在Oxford,不一定就會找不到工作。<br /><br />二、而如果如你的標準,那我很可能是輸定了……CYCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-72276025488075607802010-06-16T10:43:00.710-07:002010-06-16T10:43:00.710-07:00在將來不可預測下,其實什麽是嬴,什麽是輸也是很主觀的。
像我現在的情況,從前跟我一起讀研究院的都會...在將來不可預測下,其實什麽是嬴,什麽是輸也是很主觀的。<br /><br />像我現在的情況,從前跟我一起讀研究院的都會覺得我是輸了...即使如此又如何?對得住自己就好!RandomCoilhttp://boundaryinterfaces.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-39371963424565644542010-06-16T10:30:12.710-07:002010-06-16T10:30:12.710-07:00CYC,
//RandomCoil這句話,說到我心坎,
……實際上這只是個個人喜好的問題 …就是這...CYC,<br /><br />//RandomCoil這句話,說到我心坎,<br />……實際上這只是個個人喜好的問題 …就是這麼簡單。//<br /><br />你可以把決定看成是個人喜好的問題,也同時把它看成是賭博。以我提出的嬴的標準,很多時候是可以有嬴輸的判斷的。假如我去了牛津,拿了博士卻一直沒有一份穩定的工作(信我,有這樣的情況),那我便會認為自己賭輸了。W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-62742288081632462312010-06-16T10:14:43.496-07:002010-06-16T10:14:43.496-07:00在有的方面的人生選擇很重要,比如健康、就業、結婚之類。這些應該有輸贏可講。過了基本線,比如讀不讀研究...在有的方面的人生選擇很重要,比如健康、就業、結婚之類。這些應該有輸贏可講。過了基本線,比如讀不讀研究院,上哪間大學之類,一般就比較次要了(當然不考慮因為出了國而在外國被車撞成傷殘之類)。<br /><br />比如,當年若不是我媽的一個重要決定,使我上了大學,我現在應該在香港某角落做苦力。類似的決定,肯定是有贏輸可言。<br /><br />畢業後出來留學,選了現在學校之類,算不算贏,諸如此類就不好說了,永遠也沒有答案。至少沒有出來,可以找到份收入不俗工作,有穩定生活。<br /><br />RandomCoil這句話,說到我心坎,<br /><br />……實際上這只是個個人喜好的問題 …就是這麼簡單。CYCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-91808043144619512952010-06-16T08:58:44.391-07:002010-06-16T08:58:44.391-07:00Chris,
//對現狀滿意,睇番轉頭,對當初的選擇無乜後悔,就可以當自己贏左。//
唔止無乜後...Chris,<br /><br />//對現狀滿意,睇番轉頭,對當初的選擇無乜後悔,就可以當自己贏左。//<br /><br />唔止無乜後悔,而且覺得比以前好咗。W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-55517887687232099712010-06-16T08:55:02.035-07:002010-06-16T08:55:02.035-07:00Randomcoil,
//Why going to Oxford means you would...Randomcoil,<br /><br />//Why going to Oxford means you would return to HK? //<br /><br />Because it was (and still is) almost impossible to get a teaching position in philosophy there (for a person with my background).<br /><br />//What is so bad about returning to HK? Why you think you wouldn't go somewhere else even you actually returned home?//<br /><br />I don't like to live in Hong Kong (though I like to stay there for a little while every now and then).W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-26348820940052250352010-06-16T08:50:14.880-07:002010-06-16T08:50:14.880-07:00Yan,
//我想你應該多謝你老婆。//
當然,很多謝她跟我一起賭和對我的能力有信心。Yan,<br /><br />//我想你應該多謝你老婆。//<br /><br />當然,很多謝她跟我一起賭和對我的能力有信心。W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-72974652833654770312010-06-16T08:48:44.002-07:002010-06-16T08:48:44.002-07:00Y W Wong,
//所以你是個很幸運的人//
我在文中已承認了這點。Y W Wong,<br /><br />//所以你是個很幸運的人//<br /><br />我在文中已承認了這點。W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-50251046529367301342010-06-16T08:47:20.081-07:002010-06-16T08:47:20.081-07:00英雄公主娘,
我的嬴的標準很簡單,不是比較各個選擇的結果(因為沒可能知道),而是:一場人生的賭博會...英雄公主娘,<br /><br />我的嬴的標準很簡單,不是比較各個選擇的結果(因為沒可能知道),而是:一場人生的賭博會和這自己生活的某些重要方面有關,假如這些方面結果大體上比下注之前好,就算嬴。(此段已加入正文)。W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-48459451501394765832010-06-16T03:43:47.810-07:002010-06-16T03:43:47.810-07:00對現狀滿意,睇番轉頭,對當初的選擇無乜後悔,就可以當自己贏左。
當初如果行了第二條路,都未必死梗,當...對現狀滿意,睇番轉頭,對當初的選擇無乜後悔,就可以當自己贏左。<br />當初如果行了第二條路,都未必死梗,當中好多變數。<br />不過當自己贏左,做人就會開心D。Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10133122741874926109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-26460027946530203182010-06-16T03:31:17.309-07:002010-06-16T03:31:17.309-07:00同意 英雄公主娘.
Why going to Oxford means you would ret...同意 英雄公主娘.<br /><br />Why going to Oxford means you would return to HK? What is so bad about returning to HK? Why you think you wouldn't go somewhere else even you actually returned home?<br /><br />We never know what we have missed because of the decisions we have made. <br /><br />另我亦曾寫過關於選擇/出國這題目,請各位賜教。<br />http://boundaryinterfaces.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/lucky-you/<br /><br />http://boundaryinterfaces.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/%e6%98%af%e6%9c%89%e9%81%b8%e6%93%87%e7%9a%84-do-we-actually-have-a-choice/RandomCoilhttp://boundaryinterfaces.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com