tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post4706752912677133905..comments2024-03-22T08:04:05.869-07:00Comments on 魚之樂: 再談焚經Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-85588554279489755132010-09-10T11:47:58.331-07:002010-09-10T11:47:58.331-07:00//- 這是河水不犯井水,彼此避忌,和彼此尊重有點不同;新義安就不見得尊重和勝和。
新義安同和勝和...//- 這是河水不犯井水,彼此避忌,和彼此尊重有點不同;新義安就不見得尊重和勝和。<br /><br />新義安同和勝和都有多年合作生意的,不過提目不同,有機會再講啦!<br /><br />//基本上宗教、政黨、黑社會、國家都是同一運作模式。<br /><br />運作模式是指同樣把社會資源再分配。河水不犯井水,彼此避忌亦會。Gordonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-91131302774915393412010-09-10T08:46:54.552-07:002010-09-10T08:46:54.552-07:00Yan,
慢慢來,切忌急躁。Yan,<br /><br />慢慢來,切忌急躁。W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-49267688667786190402010-09-10T08:38:55.482-07:002010-09-10T08:38:55.482-07:00Wong,
要!對我來說,這是很重要的事。Wong,<br /><br />要!對我來說,這是很重要的事。Yanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05543452661425487649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-33029143287059795742010-09-10T08:35:18.624-07:002010-09-10T08:35:18.624-07:00Yan,
咁就練腦筋喇!Yan,<br /><br />咁就練腦筋喇!W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-18679749086631406402010-09-10T08:22:58.243-07:002010-09-10T08:22:58.243-07:00Wong,
是精神腦筋問題,唔關酒量事。Wong,<br /><br />是精神腦筋問題,唔關酒量事。Yanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05543452661425487649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-88552127765347688732010-09-09T23:17:30.698-07:002010-09-09T23:17:30.698-07:00Yan,
練好啲酒量喇!Yan,<br /><br />練好啲酒量喇!W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-62225071704886014832010-09-09T23:12:12.035-07:002010-09-09T23:12:12.035-07:00Wong,
少少紅酒咋。Wong,<br /><br />少少紅酒咋。Yanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05543452661425487649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-60415173320320208342010-09-09T22:55:13.057-07:002010-09-09T22:55:13.057-07:00Yan,
你飲咗酒呀?Yan,<br /><br />你飲咗酒呀?W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-29564254464538001032010-09-09T22:53:33.150-07:002010-09-09T22:53:33.150-07:00//我們為甚麼要尊重別人的宗教?
因為別人的宗教是值得尊重的,之所以如此,因為:
宗教與人的活動...//我們為甚麼要尊重別人的宗教?<br /><br />因為別人的宗教是值得尊重的,之所以如此,因為:<br /><br />宗教與人的活動緊密相扣,而人的活動又與人緊密扣。宗教活動並不是不值得尊重的活動,並且人是值得尊重的,<br /><br />而人是值得尊重的,人值得尊重的地方是:<br />...Yanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05543452661425487649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-16491520404420485722010-09-09T17:03:50.120-07:002010-09-09T17:03:50.120-07:00Anon,
多謝你的意見。其實在美國的佛教徒也不少,而且美國人看一個宗教的大小,亦不只是看在美國內...Anon,<br /><br />多謝你的意見。其實在美國的佛教徒也不少,而且美國人看一個宗教的大小,亦不只是看在美國內有多少信徒。W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-4709616403942004842010-09-09T15:52:00.950-07:002010-09-09T15:52:00.950-07:00還想補充的是,宗教和政治一樣,談這兩個問題的話,很容易引起爭議。為什麼?因為這兩種東西所牽涉的甚主觀...還想補充的是,宗教和政治一樣,談這兩個問題的話,很容易引起爭議。為什麼?因為這兩種東西所牽涉的甚主觀,很少客觀證明。這不同於其他東西,例如藝術至少還可以通俗地用價錢來辨證高手低手。有神或無神?教義之高低?如何能認證?如何去衡量?全是主觀思想,而且不容易被改變。<br /><br />這樣99.9%主觀的議題還可以被人尊重/接受不同的聲音的話,那其他人生上的項目也未免不會被尊重。我想,不是"宗教"itself特別受到額外的尊重,而是它的性質問題代表了人最主觀的一面。所以我寫道,"至於為啥尊重別人的信仰... 這就等同如我尊重我身邊的人所選的生活方式,這個是民主社會的核心," 所以freedom of religion很重要。<br /><br />燒經有其自由,但"聯同旁人施加壓力,甚至乎惹來傳媒的注意",就非常有問題了。你有你自由是一個層次,"聯同旁人施加壓力,甚至乎惹來傳媒的注意" to influence other people又是另一個層次。我不反對焚經,但別涉及旁人就好了,因為再延伸可以變成民粹。基本上我是不認同"主要是以「應要尊重別人的宗教」為理由,指責焚經不對。"<br /><br />"他們尊重大的宗教多於小的宗教",這個我就不明白如何有所謂的多和小了。佛教在亞洲地方盛行,但在美國就不流行,但我看不到美國人在佛教上尊重少一點,反而老美對著猶太教(which is not the main religion in the US and Jewish is a minority here)有著明顯的尊重。猶太人可以在他們認可的節日中放假的,我就唔得,只有Christmas is related to religion among Federal Holidays, 死未?Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-89125122172622397872010-09-09T11:30:32.122-07:002010-09-09T11:30:32.122-07:00Lin,
//I don't think the expectation of「應要尊重別...Lin,<br /><br />//I don't think the expectation of「應要尊重別人的宗教」is always there. The contrary would probably be the norm in human history. Just like the idea of "racial tolerance" is a pretty modern concept. //<br /><br />- Sure. Actually I think even now some religious people only pay lip service to 「應要尊重別人的宗教」.<br /><br />//I don't think Church of Scientology's beliefs are more "荒謬絕倫" than Christianity. It's just that people, even non-Christians, have been exposed to and got used to the Christian ideas. "Cults" are often accused of making "extreme" demands on their adherents, using peer pressure & coercion, and brainwashing people. Well, the same can be said about Christianity. And a lot of "cults" would be eager to participate in charitable works to gain legitimacy if they are allowed to.//<br /><br />- You are exactly right here.<br /><br />//Sociologists use the term "cult" very narrowly and would call most "cults" "new religious movements" instead. And most new religious movements are pretty "normal" and "boring." No brainwashing, no crazy sexual practices, etc. And I think sociologists find that people who join new religious movements tend to have higher level of education than the general population. //<br /><br />- Unfortunately most people are not sociologists.W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-37792200842948046452010-09-09T11:13:28.140-07:002010-09-09T11:13:28.140-07:00I don't think the expectation of「應要尊重別人的宗教」is ...I don't think the expectation of「應要尊重別人的宗教」is always there. The contrary would probably be the norm in human history. Just like the idea of "racial tolerance" is a pretty modern concept. <br /><br />I don't think Church of Scientology's beliefs are more "荒謬絕倫" than Christianity. It's just that people, even non-Christians, have been exposed to and got used to the Christian ideas. "Cults" are often accused of making "extreme" demands on their adherents, using peer pressure & coercion, and brainwashing people. Well, the same can be said about Christianity. And a lot of "cults" would be eager to participate in charitable works to gain legitimacy if they are allowed to.<br /><br />Sociologists use the term "cult" very narrowly and would call most "cults" "new religious movements" instead. And most new religious movements are pretty "normal" and "boring." No brainwashing, no crazy sexual practices, etc. And I think sociologists find that people who join new religious movements tend to have higher level of education than the general population. <br /><br />LinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-51372942500080705332010-09-09T11:11:10.410-07:002010-09-09T11:11:10.410-07:00黑人,
//任何perform到上述功能的宗教,站在社會利害立場都值得尊重//
- 宗教的害處(...黑人,<br /><br />//任何perform到上述功能的宗教,站在社會利害立場都值得尊重//<br /><br />- 宗教的害處(例如分化社會、障礙科學教育和發展)又怎計呢?W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-26827414619373674762010-09-09T10:48:57.133-07:002010-09-09T10:48:57.133-07:00尊重宗教的理由,恕我不離開利害框架
我想到宗教是社會穩定劑,歷史上,政府體系未成熟之前的缺口
都是由...尊重宗教的理由,恕我不離開利害框架<br />我想到宗教是社會穩定劑,歷史上,政府體系未成熟之前的缺口<br />都是由宗教補位擔任,比方說仲裁、醫療、教育等等<br /><br />現時政府fall short的地方,很多都是由宗教團體承擔<br />甚至在未來不確定的情況(例如現在經濟蕭條),宗教可以在經濟分析員以外擔當一個領導作用,買了股票不知何時升,至少誦經祈禱保證上天堂<br /><br />任何perform到上述功能的宗教,站在社會利害立場都值得尊重黑人https://www.blogger.com/profile/11183654603140382242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-19667122200834868842010-09-09T10:37:00.115-07:002010-09-09T10:37:00.115-07:00Gordon,
//基本上宗教、政黨、黑社會、國家都是同一運作模式,如不彼此尊重,輕則口角重則動刀...Gordon,<br /><br />//基本上宗教、政黨、黑社會、國家都是同一運作模式,如不彼此尊重,輕則口角重則動刀。//<br /><br />- 這是河水不犯井水,彼此避忌,和彼此尊重有點不同;新義安就不見得尊重和勝和。W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-60208162318602800222010-09-09T10:31:27.780-07:002010-09-09T10:31:27.780-07:00答1:基本上宗教、政黨、黑社會、國家都是同一運作模式,如不彼此尊重,輕則口角重則動刀。答1:基本上宗教、政黨、黑社會、國家都是同一運作模式,如不彼此尊重,輕則口角重則動刀。Gordonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-17099563873397832642010-09-09T09:54:54.938-07:002010-09-09T09:54:54.938-07:00Anon,
//他們的確有燒經的自由。可以自由幹的事,不代表就是tasteful的。//
- 當...Anon,<br /><br />//他們的確有燒經的自由。可以自由幹的事,不代表就是tasteful的。//<br /><br />- 當然。W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-48177106346143804472010-09-09T09:02:46.583-07:002010-09-09T09:02:46.583-07:00對啊,他們的確有燒經的自由。可以自由幹的事,不代表就是tasteful的。
至於為啥尊重別人的信仰...對啊,他們的確有燒經的自由。可以自由幹的事,不代表就是tasteful的。<br /><br />至於為啥尊重別人的信仰... 這就等同如我尊重我身邊的人所選的生活方式,這個是民主社會的核心。例如,某人喜歡天天一夜情,我並不認同,甚至卑視,不過我不會每天都在對方身邊謾罵,甚至乎聯同旁人對對方施加壓力,甚至乎惹來傳媒的注意。當然這人絕對有自由去天天一夜情,我亦有權天天對他作謾罵,甚至乎到處宣揚這人的所謂"惡行"。但如果變本加厲,很容易就成了文革。<br /><br />我想,民主的極端是共產,共產的極端是民主吧。Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-19904739476275907862010-09-09T08:19:37.402-07:002010-09-09T08:19:37.402-07:00黑人,
1. 你談的都是利害關係,我亦同意你說的,但那些不是尊重宗教的理由。
2. 當年燒希特拉...黑人,<br /><br />1. 你談的都是利害關係,我亦同意你說的,但那些不是<b>尊重</b>宗教的理由。<br /><br />2. 當年燒希特拉像或毛澤東像,可能也會有類似後果,是否因此就不應燒呢?W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-33913612877136053002010-09-09T08:07:20.851-07:002010-09-09T08:07:20.851-07:00Yan,
//想不通其實這些問題要的是什麼答案。Wong, 你可以說出正確的答案有什麼特質嗎?如有...Yan,<br /><br />//想不通其實這些問題要的是什麼答案。Wong, 你可以說出正確的答案有什麼特質嗎?如有這些特質,這些特質對尊重的理由的qualification合理嗎?//<br /><br />- 這類問題可以有不同的答法,其中一個較易應用的「程式」是這樣的:<br /><br />我們為甚麼要尊重X(X可以是類或個體)?因為X值得尊重,而X值得尊重的地方是A、B、C…。<br /><br />例如:我們為甚麼要尊重父母?因為父母值得尊重,而父母值得尊重的地方是他們賦予我們生命。(當然,你可以不同意這個答案,我只是隨便舉例。)W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-28735328912438351392010-09-09T05:58:45.751-07:002010-09-09T05:58:45.751-07:00籠統地答
1. 智者利仁,不尊重別人宗教是counter productive,小則引起類似3K黨...籠統地答<br /><br />1. 智者利仁,不尊重別人宗教是counter productive,小則引起類似3K黨之類的內亂,大則引發戰爭,以宗教發起的戰爭,通常很難完結,打伊拉克美其名是爭取普選實際是搶石油,表裡二者都是明確戰略目標,宗教戰爭就沒有這支歌仔唱<br /><br />作為管治者,當然要保障社會善治。另外越包容的地方,錢賺得越快,十字軍年代,最先繁盛都是那些耶回共存的城市<br /><br />2. 燒旗燒像和燒經有甚麼不同?未必人人有元首像放在家,有也未必日日看,但信徒十之有九生活上大抵近距離接觸過聖經/可蘭經<br /><br />燒經,差不多等於剃眼眉,而且元首的最大公約數肯定不及全球回教徒大,自然是後者的反彈較熾熱,媒體coverage更多,感覺就更貼身了<br /><br />正如天天都有人死,為何菲律賓人質事件感受特別深?因為畫面鮮明,距離近,電視報紙成日提黑人https://www.blogger.com/profile/11183654603140382242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-78414554338472751802010-09-09T02:27:50.503-07:002010-09-09T02:27:50.503-07:00//我們為甚麼要尊重別人的宗教?
為什麼要尊重殺人犯?
- 因為他們也是人?
為什麼要尊重貓狗的...//我們為甚麼要尊重別人的宗教?<br /><br />為什麼要尊重殺人犯?<br />- 因為他們也是人?<br /><br />為什麼要尊重貓狗的生命?<br />- 因為佢地下世輪迴可能會做你老豆老母?<br /><br />為什麼要尊重無理的上司?<br />- 因為上司的屁眼是神聖的?<br /><br />為什麼要尊重工作?<br />- 因為你就是你所做(You are what you do)?<br /><br />為什麼要尊重自己的父母?<br />- 因為自己的父母對你有養育之恩?<br /><br />為什麼要尊重宗教?<br />- 因為這等如尊重有宗教信仰的那班人?<br /><br />想不通其實這些問題要的是什麼答案。Wong, 你可以說出正確的答案有什麼特質嗎?如有這些特質,這些特質對尊重的理由的qualification合理嗎?Yanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05543452661425487649noreply@blogger.com