tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post4182863345475228878..comments2024-03-22T08:04:05.869-07:00Comments on 魚之樂: 信靠神,何罪之有?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-74386553317545775812010-03-23T07:01:10.809-07:002010-03-23T07:01:10.809-07:00既然你人偷吃了分別善惡樹的果子,那就讓你人類用一世的生命來experience以"自由意志...既然你人偷吃了分別善惡樹的果子,那就讓你人類用一世的生命來experience以"自由意志",去選擇do "good/following God's teaching" or "bad/following not-God"吧.(and man will know what a difficult task it is!) bear in mind, different choices get different consequences. and everyone is accountable to his/her choices in front of God when Jesus comes the second time.<br />細個時,有無玩過"劃鬼腳"?<br />I believe God has plans for everyone, plans include when you choose to do good, you get blessings; AND when you choose to do bad, you get punishments. the whole plan has already set before one's born, just that the choice of every step is on our own hands. <br />每個人都只能按誠實無愧的良心,盡心盡性盡力去聽去信去行每一步.<br />對信心小的人(this case, the parents didn't have faith that God can use doctors to heal his son, like those who dare not to eat "unclean" food),信心大的人不要輕視或加以踐踏;只可盡力勸解(聽不聽是他們的選擇),和向神交托.耶穌不是提過會有許多假教師來迷惑誤導信徒的嗎! <br /><br />浮Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-78389771880017536152010-03-22T08:06:51.072-07:002010-03-22T08:06:51.072-07:00Meshi,
我當然不同意那對夫婦的做法,但我認為他們的做法的確可以說是有經文支持。同一段經文可有...Meshi,<br /><br />我當然不同意那對夫婦的做法,但我認為他們的做法的確可以說是有經文支持。同一段經文可有不同解法,否則不會有那麼多教派,大家都是cherrypicking而已。W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-263397786040540552010-03-22T03:30:35.601-07:002010-03-22T03:30:35.601-07:00我的意思不是反駁你(除非你也同意那對夫婦的做法?),而是指那對夫婦或那間教會對於照字面遵守聖經教導的...我的意思不是反駁你(除非你也同意那對夫婦的做法?),而是指那對夫婦或那間教會對於照字面遵守聖經教導的做法並不一致。<br /><br />其實,要找這樣的經文多得是,譬如可以試試打他們左邊面,看看他們是否轉過右邊面來給我打;他們遇見搶劫時,是否連underwear也自動奉獻給賊人;還有那丈夫,有沒有看過別的婦女動淫念?他已經自挖雙目沒有?<br /><br />當然,也可以借用你的段落來回應看醫生的問題:找醫生看病沒有抵觸所引〈雅各書〉的經文,因為經文沒有說祈完禱甚麼也不必做,只要等神把疾病變走。經文的意思可以是:病人儘管去求醫吧,神一定會讓他得到醫治。Meshihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12656065273291410573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-32712297997782055222010-03-22T00:05:52.304-07:002010-03-22T00:05:52.304-07:00Meshi,
難為你找到這段經文來駁我!假設那對夫婦是有工作的,那也沒有抵觸你引的經文,因為經文沒...Meshi,<br /><br />難為你找到這段經文來駁我!假設那對夫婦是有工作的,那也沒有抵觸你引的經文,因為經文沒有說飛鳥甚麼也不必做,只要等神把食物送到口。經文的意思可以是:飛鳥儘管去覓食吧,神一定會讓牠找到食物。W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-62959196014423396962010-03-21T23:33:02.278-07:002010-03-21T23:33:02.278-07:00經上記著說:
「你想烏鴉,也不種也不收,又沒有倉又沒有庫,神尚且養活他。你們比飛鳥是何等的貴重呢!....經上記著說:<br />「你想烏鴉,也不種也不收,又沒有倉又沒有庫,神尚且養活他。你們比飛鳥是何等的貴重呢!....<br />你們不要求吃什麼,喝什麼,也不要掛心;....<br />你們只要求他的國,這些東西就必加給你們了。」(路12)<br /><br />不知那對夫婦有沒有工作賺錢,有沒有儲蓄。如果有的話,他們就沒有遵守聖經的教誨了:既然祈禱可以有吃有喝,既然「這些東西就必加給你們了」,為何還要工作賺錢,還要儲蓄?祈禱而沒飯吃,只有一個意思---神要他們早回天家。<br /><br />我想他們的教會也不敢教這道理,因為人人都這樣做,那間教會就沒奉獻了。Meshihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12656065273291410573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-65179635509828573372010-03-21T10:34:18.117-07:002010-03-21T10:34:18.117-07:00Meshi,
"我看不到雅各書說:「他就該『只』請教會的長老來,千萬不要請醫生來。」&q...Meshi,<br /><br />"我看不到雅各書說:「他就該『只』請教會的長老來,千萬不要請醫生來。」"<br /><br />- 那兩夫婦是這麼想:既然祈禱可以治病,既然「主必叫他起來」,為何還要看醫生?祈禱而治不好,只有一個意思---神要兒子早回天家。W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-30419940555191941382010-03-21T09:57:25.960-07:002010-03-21T09:57:25.960-07:00//那麼凡事你都可以去猜度神的心意。你會知道甚麼時候猜中、甚麼時候猜不中嗎?//
有些基督徒認為人...//那麼凡事你都可以去猜度神的心意。你會知道甚麼時候猜中、甚麼時候猜不中嗎?//<br /><br />有些基督徒認為人生的甚麼事情都有神的心意,甚至如明天早餐吃腸仔蛋還是煙肉蛋都有神特定的心意,所以日日夜夜成了「猜心者」。但他們既認為神賜給人自由意志,為甚麼又認為神啥事都管?保羅不是說「凡事都可行」嗎?我的看法是:神不見得對一個人事無大小都有特定心意,只要不違反聖經提出的大原則(如十誡、耶穌提出最大的誡命和新誡命)就行;甚至如結婚對象,神也不見得會指定某一個特定的「the one」給你。<br /><br />//請看〈雅各書〉5:14-15:「你們中間有病了的呢,他就該請教會的長老來,他們可以奉主的名用油抹他,為他禱告。出於信心的祈禱,要救那病人,主必叫他起來,他若犯了罪,也必蒙赦免。」//<br /><br />我看不到雅各書說:「他就該『只』請教會的長老來,千萬不要請醫生來。」聖經說了的,那兩夫婦有做;聖經沒說的,他們也做了,還以為是聖經教他們這樣。這就是問題所在。Meshihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12656065273291410573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-69866583037220667812010-03-21T07:38:18.629-07:002010-03-21T07:38:18.629-07:00Dra,
但係耶穌叫佢地spread the good news喎。Dra,<br /><br />但係耶穌叫佢地spread the good news喎。W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-30282484676027729372010-03-21T07:34:26.249-07:002010-03-21T07:34:26.249-07:00they dont easily show up nowadays...1) they are ti...they dont easily show up nowadays...1) they are tired also 2) 佢地只覺我地牛頭不搭馬嘴, 儒子不可教也...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-11138234418884297992010-03-20T16:29:54.789-07:002010-03-20T16:29:54.789-07:00RandomCoil,
So far I haven't seen any of them...RandomCoil,<br /><br />So far I haven't seen any of them here. Lucky me.W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-7828394497650429892010-03-20T14:33:03.871-07:002010-03-20T14:33:03.871-07:00:P I am sure they think we are not reasonable beca...:P I am sure they think we are not reasonable because we question the BOOK.<br /><br />Now... let's wait for the believers to show up...RandomCoilhttp://boundaryinterfaces.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-18803735917992488252010-03-20T14:00:52.092-07:002010-03-20T14:00:52.092-07:00RandomCoil,
I was talking about reasonable people...RandomCoil,<br /><br />I was talking about reasonable people!W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-51332818287211818592010-03-20T13:44:17.584-07:002010-03-20T13:44:17.584-07:00Well... not if someone insisted that everything in...Well... not if someone insisted that everything in the bible is true and the bible itself is the word and is also the evidence that proves the word is true.RandomCoilhttp://boundaryinterfaces.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-55528918119625404362010-03-20T13:04:18.444-07:002010-03-20T13:04:18.444-07:00RandomCoil,
I do think problems concerning religi...RandomCoil,<br /><br />I do think problems concerning religion can be discussed, but it may easily get very complex.W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-58868718706096447392010-03-20T12:58:01.781-07:002010-03-20T12:58:01.781-07:00That is what I meant. Thanks for making conveying ...That is what I meant. Thanks for making conveying my idea in a much clearer way.<br /><br />This whole thing about religion is hard to discuss anyway because the question is hard to define precisely... when people can't even agree on the question... how can we discuss it properly...RandomCoilhttp://boundaryinterfaces.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-72238413494831089852010-03-20T12:11:12.863-07:002010-03-20T12:11:12.863-07:00RandomCoil,
If I understand you correctly, your p...RandomCoil,<br /><br />If I understand you correctly, your point is that whether we will try to guess God's will is already something that God knows/plans, and that this may be a reason for doing whatever we choose to do. This is an interesting point, but not easy to discuss.W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-13642310580523236882010-03-20T11:59:46.318-07:002010-03-20T11:59:46.318-07:00I might be wrong...
If everything is in God's...I might be wrong...<br /><br />If everything is in God's plan... whether we will be a follower of Christ or Satan, although we have the free will to decide, God knows the answer and our destination...<br /><br />If that is the case... we don't see why we can't 猜度神的心意... and try every mean possible for our benefits.RandomCoilhttp://boundaryinterfaces.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com