tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post6173403964338415186..comments2024-03-22T08:04:05.869-07:00Comments on 魚之樂: 最後的自由Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-88058904259148628402013-02-04T08:30:58.781-08:002013-02-04T08:30:58.781-08:00如果永生係一種痛苦,那麼,
呢種痛苦就係叫我地去面對學術。
用無涯追求無涯
同古今學者討論
笑談人生...如果永生係一種痛苦,那麼,<br />呢種痛苦就係叫我地去面對學術。<br />用無涯追求無涯<br />同古今學者討論<br />笑談人生百態 社會政治 文史哲藝<br />上至天文地理 風雅頌賦比興<br />下至怪力亂神 屎尿屁嫖賭淫<br />話唔定 眾多哲學家已經起天上<br />創立唔少新既哲學理論啦~~<br />悶左 就玩玩遊戲<br />什至睇下未來人有咩新玩意啦XD小子noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-44168482765527899802013-02-04T06:52:52.420-08:002013-02-04T06:52:52.420-08:00雖然我是基督徒(自稱), 但老實說不太想要甚麼永生
人生活到80都夠長啦, 咁長命把鬼咩雖然我是基督徒(自稱), 但老實說不太想要甚麼永生<br />人生活到80都夠長啦, 咁長命把鬼咩Kilowatterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14627898616660857121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-90251413237464232222011-11-20T21:33:33.822-08:002011-11-20T21:33:33.822-08:00克萊門特,
//若真的有天堂,而天堂是一個幸福快樂的理想地方,這種幸福應該就算不斷重複也不會令人感...克萊門特,<br /><br />//若真的有天堂,而天堂是一個幸福快樂的理想地方,這種幸福應該就算不斷重複也不會令人感到厭倦的。//<br /><br />- 即使如此,我也想有自殺的自由(雖然未必會運用這自由)。W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-34097738791804730092011-11-20T12:29:26.488-08:002011-11-20T12:29:26.488-08:00幸福的事情,就算發生無限次,都一樣會感到幸福。
尼采甚至會話(大意如此),要如此行動,就算同一事...幸福的事情,就算發生無限次,都一樣會感到幸福。<br /> <br />尼采甚至會話(大意如此),要如此行動,就算同一事件永恆回歸,也不後悔。<br /><br />若真的有天堂,而天堂是一個幸福快樂的理想地方,這種幸福應該就算不斷重複也不會令人感到厭倦的。克萊門特noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-74130466381537363592011-11-19T03:18:24.201-08:002011-11-19T03:18:24.201-08:00Sirius ,
//Or do you want to forever lie to yourse...Sirius ,<br />//Or do you want to forever lie to yourself? //<br />Well, believing in or wanting any form of 永生 is lying to oneself. The one I suggested is not different. --zpdrmnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-77238951815583096062011-11-19T03:14:18.545-08:002011-11-19T03:14:18.545-08:00文少,
// most of businessmen would prefer politic...文少,<br /> // most of businessmen would prefer political stability which can maintain a stable investment environment,except the speculator...and I don't believe in democratic prophecy.//<br />I understand the preference for political stability by businessmen and many others (not only businessmen want that). But if you are equating changing status quo to destabilizing the political system in a destructive way (necessarily), I am not convinced. <br />I am not talking about democratic prophecy. Forget about democracy. You try to tell the black folks in America that their brothers and sisters who were treated like dirt by white people and fought for civil rights in the past (thus changed the status quo then) disturbed businesses (white people's) and was destructive to the political system, you will have a hard time in convincing them that the fight wasn't justified even if you could (unlikely) convince them that it was destructive. <br />You may say civil rights is about democracy. Well, just imagine that they didn't know anything about democracy and they just fought for being treated better. --zpdrmnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-81320207822431752852011-11-18T23:26:38.975-08:002011-11-18T23:26:38.975-08:00// Imagine that you and your wife live forever aft...// Imagine that you and your wife live forever after your deaths and that both of you stay together and love each other forever. Throw in as many people as you like, your son, other beloved ones, friends... Even dragons. Your choices. You can do whatever you did before your deaths and a lot more. Never runs out of entertainment. You can also (again your choice) make it like this, every morning you forget everything (or most of what) happened before but still remember the people you know and have certain knowledge. You don't know you have lived forever and won't get bored or tired (of being alive). If that happens, you can go to sleep. The next morning will be like a new life.<br />Do you want that kind of 永生? --zpdrmn<br /><br />This feels like the Matrix - Do you want to take the *Truth* pill? Or do you want to forever lie to yourself?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-10622354541852459232011-11-18T12:04:00.384-08:002011-11-18T12:04:00.384-08:00//Disturbing or even changing the status quo may n...//Disturbing or even changing the status quo may not be bad. It depends on what the status quo is. I am in debt to many people in the past who changed the status quo then.//<br />most of businessmen would prefer political stability which can maintain a stable investment environment,except the speculator...and I don't believe in democratic prophecy.<br /><br />//I don't see it. Buddhism (may be except the zen sect) talks about cyclic existence, not 人死如燈滅. Only Buddhas can choose to get out of cyclic existence and into nirvana and do not come back ever again. (To me, they don't even choose to stay in some 極樂世界. I don't care about what the scriptures say about it.) So, to me it is Buddhas 死如燈滅, not 人死如燈滅.<br />To me, the existence of cyclic existence can only be in one's one and only one life--I take it as an analogy (to living through certain, different psychological states) instead of physical transmigration or reincarnation.//<br />you're right, I forget the concept of reincarnation. 人死如燈滅 is Atheism XDDD文少http://jonathan_sky.mysinablog.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-71619027318053866182011-11-18T10:39:54.857-08:002011-11-18T10:39:54.857-08:00zpdrmn,
//Do you want that kind of 永生?//
- Defin...zpdrmn,<br /><br />//Do you want that kind of 永生?//<br /><br />- Definitely not!W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-74108993031744525102011-11-18T10:38:37.770-08:002011-11-18T10:38:37.770-08:00jl,
//同意王Sir,[自由萬歳].//
- 萬歲真的「夠皮」了!jl,<br /><br />//同意王Sir,[自由萬歳].//<br /><br />- 萬歲真的「夠皮」了!W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-9434245125959107112011-11-18T10:37:04.998-08:002011-11-18T10:37:04.998-08:00神洲,
//問題是,既然精神世界是人造的,為什麼人不去造一個「完美的」精神世界而要造一個「不完美的...神洲,<br /><br />//問題是,既然精神世界是人造的,為什麼人不去造一個「完美的」精神世界而要造一個「不完美的」或「不公義」精神世界呢?//<br /><br />- 信徒們是不會讚成你說的「不完美的」和「不公義」的。W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-31688559781145784462011-11-18T03:25:05.710-08:002011-11-18T03:25:05.710-08:00Wong,
Imagine that you and your wife live forever ...Wong,<br />Imagine that you and your wife live forever after your deaths and that both of you stay together and love each other forever. Throw in as many people as you like, your son, other beloved ones, friends... Even dragons. Your choices. You can do whatever you did before your deaths and a lot more. Never runs out of entertainment. You can also (again your choice) make it like this, every morning you forget everything (or most of what) happened before but still remember the people you know and have certain knowledge. You don't know you have lived forever and won't get bored or tired (of being alive). If that happens, you can go to sleep. The next morning will be like a new life.<br />Do you want that kind of 永生? --zpdrmnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-84282978251477802862011-11-18T02:46:28.854-08:002011-11-18T02:46:28.854-08:00文少,
// if their shows would disturb the status qu...文少, <br />// if their shows would disturb the status quo of our society, I will criticise them.//<br /> Disturbing or even changing the status quo may not be bad. It depends on what the status quo is. I am in debt to many people in the past who changed the status quo then.<br /><br />//人死如燈滅的想法﹐又是很有佛學的意味//<br />I don't see it. Buddhism (may be except the zen sect) talks about cyclic existence, not 人死如燈滅. Only Buddhas can choose to get out of cyclic existence and into nirvana and do not come back ever again. (To me, they don't even choose to stay in some 極樂世界. I don't care about what the scriptures say about it.) So, to me it is Buddhas 死如燈滅, not 人死如燈滅.<br />To me, the existence of cyclic existence can only be in one's one and only one life--I take it as an analogy (to living through certain, different psychological states) instead of physical transmigration or reincarnation. <br />I don't buy 還陽 either.<br />--zpdrmnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-5191036611704312352011-11-18T02:04:05.806-08:002011-11-18T02:04:05.806-08:00如果有上帝,上帝有杝不為人知悉的完全自由。
人若有自由,想是個人追求的「終極自由」,但有可能嗎?
同...如果有上帝,上帝有杝不為人知悉的完全自由。<br />人若有自由,想是個人追求的「終極自由」,但有可能嗎?<br />同意王Sir,[自由萬歳].<br />jlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-22912232958565683742011-11-18T00:58:32.934-08:002011-11-18T00:58:32.934-08:00事實上是:人不是上帝造的,反而上帝是人造的。
是人的思維創造出了一個虛擬的精神世界,裡面有佛祖,有上...事實上是:人不是上帝造的,反而上帝是人造的。<br />是人的思維創造出了一個虛擬的精神世界,裡面有佛祖,有上帝....等等各種不同的宗教和精神信仰,以便人可以把自己的精神寄託在那個世界裡。<br />問題是,既然精神世界是人造的,為什麼人不去造一個「完美的」精神世界而要造一個「不完美的」或「不公義」精神世界呢?神洲http://gmue2008.mysinablog.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-18172697281296786882011-11-18T00:07:50.915-08:002011-11-18T00:07:50.915-08:00Lin,
I think the new series of The Outer Limits h...Lin,<br /><br />I think the new series of The Outer Limits has an episode with a similar plot.W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-55279588048478597282011-11-17T19:20:00.452-08:002011-11-17T19:20:00.452-08:00The way I see it, the common Christian interpretat...The way I see it, the common Christian interpretation of heaven can be interpreted as a Twilight Zone type of plot:<br /><br />Some intelligent alien who had figured out how to live forever. S/he got bored and needed to keep some pets for companionship. So s/he abducted some of us earthlings to his/her planet and gave us eternal life as well. However, to keep us "happy," we the abducted earthlings were given Zoloft or some other kind of super anti-depressant. Because we the abductees are "happy" under the influence of drugs, we willingly sing praises of our abductor. We are thankful for the abduction because we are given an eternal life filled only with happiness. Because we are made happy, the idea of ending our eternal life won't even come up in our mind. <br /><br />But of course, at the conclusion of the episode, Rod Serling would probably ask the viewers if the earthlings are truly enjoying eternal happiness.Linnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-19965210451734632942011-11-17T15:44:06.040-08:002011-11-17T15:44:06.040-08:00//哦,原來你識寫英文嘅!//
寫到一pat屎都叫識﹖
//如果你指的「死」是不再以任何形式存在,那...//哦,原來你識寫英文嘅!//<br />寫到一pat屎都叫識﹖<br />//如果你指的「死」是不再以任何形式存在,那又如何能夠「想生返」呢?誰在想啊?//<br />以前談過了﹐我的生死觀接近道教和佛教﹐死是指肉身之死﹐靈魂不滅。是故﹐我談的復生不是輪迴﹐而是還陽。文少http://jonathan_sky.mysinablog.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-71890361678854672332011-11-17T14:46:22.607-08:002011-11-17T14:46:22.607-08:00文少,
//想幾時死就死﹐死完想生返又得﹐咁就最盞鬼了。//
- 如果你指的「死」是不再以任何形...文少,<br /><br />//想幾時死就死﹐死完想生返又得﹐咁就最盞鬼了。//<br /><br />- 如果你指的「死」是不再以任何形式存在,那又如何能夠「想生返」呢?誰在想啊?W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-40114819846876370572011-11-17T14:05:42.108-08:002011-11-17T14:05:42.108-08:00文少,
哦,原來你識寫英文嘅!文少,<br /><br />哦,原來你識寫英文嘅!W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-85058691984092746342011-11-17T13:39:27.218-08:002011-11-17T13:39:27.218-08:00W.Wong:
正如我上面講﹐你那套人死如燈滅的想法﹐又是很有佛學的意味﹐不過﹐放心我不會再講佛偈了...W.Wong:<br />正如我上面講﹐你那套人死如燈滅的想法﹐又是很有佛學的意味﹐不過﹐放心我不會再講佛偈了(笑)<br /><br />至於所謂最後的自由﹐我倒希望沒生死問題﹐即是說﹐想幾時生就生﹐想幾時死就死﹐死完想生返又得﹐咁就最盞鬼了。文少http://jonathan_sky.mysinablog.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-53220539763849735182011-11-17T13:34:23.753-08:002011-11-17T13:34:23.753-08:00//It's somewhat like a Buddha getting into nir...//It's somewhat like a Buddha getting into nirvana forever and won't come back to this world/ universe. To me, it is like 徹底消滅,不再存在.//<br />your thought is similar with ancient Buddhist concept, Mahayana(大乘) Buddhism believes that people will go to Sukhavati(極樂世界) after nirvana.<br />After reading this article, I more believed that W.Wong's cosmology is quite similar with Buddhism, esp. ancient Buddhism.文少http://jonathan_sky.mysinablog.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-35392613395003140572011-11-17T13:20:02.333-08:002011-11-17T13:20:02.333-08:00zpdrmn﹕
//Even if all the 奮戰 are futile, we can se...zpdrmn﹕<br />//Even if all the 奮戰 are futile, we can see them as 藝術作品. Hope 文少 would enjoy.//<br />many ppl criticize my cynical viewpoints, however, I am skeptic and I believed in pragmatism. <br />Frankly speaking,as a businessman, I enjoy their so-call "struggles" if I treat them as clowns. however, if their shows would disturb the status quo of our society, I will criticise them.文少http://jonathan_sky.mysinablog.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-64573694616561418722011-11-17T11:06:50.538-08:002011-11-17T11:06:50.538-08:00Meshi,
補充一句:我的意思不是活得太久會不耐煩,我不知道在天堂會不會如此;我的意思只是萬一在...Meshi,<br /><br />補充一句:我的意思不是活得太久會不耐煩,我不知道在天堂會不會如此;我的意思只是萬一在天堂也會活得不耐煩,我希望有「自我了斷」的自由。W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-50623758650032659402011-11-17T11:04:01.000-08:002011-11-17T11:04:01.000-08:00Meshi,
//如果活得太久會不耐煩,那麼活得最不耐煩、最想自殺的,應該是上帝吧。//
- 不...Meshi,<br /><br />//如果活得太久會不耐煩,那麼活得最不耐煩、最想自殺的,應該是上帝吧。//<br /><br />- 不可妄測上帝你主的心意。W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.com