tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post3735636461822365441..comments2024-03-22T08:04:05.869-07:00Comments on 魚之樂: 迷信和PlaceboUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-16404526958390753242010-11-01T20:00:08.925-07:002010-11-01T20:00:08.925-07:00Sirius,
//他就真的認為即使只是心理作用,只要有效便可信。//
- Placebo有效是...Sirius,<br /><br />//他就真的認為即使只是心理作用,只要有效便可信。//<br /><br />- Placebo有效是因為服食者相信那是真藥,而不是因為他相信心理作用有效。假設X是placebo,比較:<br /><br />(1) X是有療效的藥。<br />(2) X是placebo,即本身沒有療效。<br />(3) 只要相信(1),便可以有產生療效的心理作用。<br /><br />相信(2)的人不能相信(1)。你朋友相信(3)。如果他只是相信(3),他可以同時相信(1),那麼(3)便可在他身上實現;問題是他也相信(2),因此他不能相信(1),而既然他不相信(1),(3)便不能在他身上實現。W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-25096033153693975972010-11-01T18:30:43.765-07:002010-11-01T18:30:43.765-07:00W. Wong 提到...
// - 如果他相信placebo裏沒有藥的成份而仍然有效,那麼...W. Wong 提到...<br /><br />// - 如果他相信placebo裏沒有藥的成份而仍然有效,那麼他一定要相信placebo裏有某些不知名的東西令它有效,而不只是心理作用。//<br /><br />他就真的認為即使只是心理作用,只要有效便可信。<br /><br />如果這樣推想的:<br />A) 我相信,Placebo 才有效<br />B) Placebo 有效,我才相信<br /><br />一般的推想方法應該是先 B) 後 A):<br />因為 Placebo 有效(醫生說謊),所以我相信。又因我相信了,所以它有效。<br /><br />但我這位朋友的推想方法好像是先 A) 後 B):<br />因我選擇相信 Placebo,所以它有效。又因它真的有效了,所以我更相信。<br /><br />我總覺得這”假的也可以選擇相信”不合邏輯,但我又找不到論據。請Wong Sir指教Siriushttp://seriousmatters.co.ccnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-51834376027185740612010-11-01T16:53:12.057-07:002010-11-01T16:53:12.057-07:00Sirius,
//BTW, 'smarter' is not restricte...Sirius,<br /><br />//BTW, 'smarter' is not restricted to mean more intelligent. It can also mean more knowledgeable or experienced about a particular topic. Knowing the chemical ingredients in medicine falls into this category.//<br /><br />- Fair enough.<br /><br />//I'm learning to argue too. heehe. =P//<br /><br />- Great!.W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-4759961503439871322010-11-01T16:52:13.307-07:002010-11-01T16:52:13.307-07:00Sirius,
//又有另一朋友,他曾患癌症。醫生說癌症全愈的可能性不高,一般有信心勝戰癌症的病人...Sirius,<br /><br />//又有另一朋友,他曾患癌症。醫生說癌症全愈的可能性不高,一般有信心勝戰癌症的病人全愈的機會比較高一些,所以醫生們都會叫病人對自己有信心。雖然病人知道這點,但又仍然拿出信心出面對癌症。//<br /><br />- 他相信的是:病癒的信心能影響身體機能。如果他相信這點,便可用各種方法令自己增強病癒的信心。W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-90763689076429523262010-11-01T16:48:04.059-07:002010-11-01T16:48:04.059-07:00Sirius,
//話說回來,我認識一個朋友知道Placebo無藥成分但仍然相信它:
如果沒有藥成...Sirius,<br /><br />//話說回來,我認識一個朋友知道Placebo無藥成分但仍然相信它:<br />如果沒有藥成分卻對病有療效,不管它是否因心理作用而產生療效,只要實驗證明有效就有理由相信它。<br />A:有理由相信Placebo有療效<br />B:相信便能產生療效<br />C:有療效比無療效好<br />所以相信有療效是明智的選擇//<br /><br />- 如果他相信placebo裏沒有藥的成份而仍然有效,那麼他一定要相信placebo裏有某些不知名的東西令它有效,而不只是心理作用。W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-2667090063892798632010-11-01T16:39:41.760-07:002010-11-01T16:39:41.760-07:00Sirius,
//Kidding, don't be too serious. :)//...Sirius,<br /><br />//Kidding, don't be too serious. :)//<br /><br />- I wasn't serious either.W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-32357428749027865742010-11-01T16:02:37.927-07:002010-11-01T16:02:37.927-07:00//W. Wong 提到...
If a person does not know tha...//W. Wong 提到...<br /><br /> If a person does not know that the placebo he has taken is a placebo and believes that it works, that has nothing to do with his intelligence.//<br /><br />BTW, 'smarter' is not restricted to mean more intelligent. It can also mean more knowledgeable or experienced about a particular topic. Knowing the chemical ingredients in medicine falls into this category. <br /><br />I'm learning to argue too. heehe. =PSiriushttp://seriousmatters.co.ccnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-29684127117864576072010-11-01T15:52:17.577-07:002010-11-01T15:52:17.577-07:00//W. Wong 提到...
If a person does not know tha...//W. Wong 提到...<br /><br /> If a person does not know that the placebo he has taken is a placebo and believes that it works, that has nothing to do with his intelligence.//<br />Kidding, don't be too serious. :)<br /><br />話說回來,我認識一個朋友知道Placebo無藥成分但仍然相信它:<br />如果沒有藥成分卻對病有療效,不管它是否因心理作用而產生療效,只要實驗證明有效就有理由相信它。<br />A:有理由相信Placebo有療效<br />B:相信便能產生療效<br />C:有療效比無療效好<br />所以相信有療效是明智的選擇<br /><br />又有另一朋友,他曾患癌症。醫生說癌症全愈的可能性不高,一般有信心勝戰癌症的病人全愈的機會比較高一些,所以醫生們都會叫病人對自己有信心。雖然病人知道這點,但又仍然拿出信心出面對癌症。<br /><br />這兩例子跟以上 Placebo paradox 有相似之處。問 Wong Sir 睇法如何。Siriushttp://seriousmatters.co.ccnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-57545798138150926922010-11-01T14:43:00.960-07:002010-11-01T14:43:00.960-07:00catcat,
//catcat 提到...
Wong Sir, 祈禱的作用?
1)鎮驚
2)僥倖...catcat,<br /><br />//catcat 提到...<br />Wong Sir, 祈禱的作用?<br />1)鎮驚<br />2)僥倖活到今日<br />3)??//<br /><br />- 忘記答你這問題。答案是1(如果你真心相信的話)。W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-44408460039553008632010-11-01T08:55:37.498-07:002010-11-01T08:55:37.498-07:00catcat,
If it's just a sugar pill, it has to ...catcat,<br /><br />If it's just a sugar pill, it has to be a placebo.W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-4264965315387072262010-11-01T02:41:28.301-07:002010-11-01T02:41:28.301-07:00if the medicine was effective and you also believe...if the medicine was effective and you also believe it works. Based on that trust, you took the medicine. Did the medicine heal you or your belief heal you? <br /><br />Wong Sir, why do you seem to be so sure the medicine was just a placebo? really not even any doubt it could be real ?catcatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-21972355891919892532010-10-31T22:30:32.590-07:002010-10-31T22:30:32.590-07:00Sirius,
If a person does not know that the placeb...Sirius,<br /><br />If a person does not know that the placebo he has taken is a placebo and believes that it works, that has nothing to do with his intelligence.W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-86616254520883137682010-10-31T20:08:36.404-07:002010-10-31T20:08:36.404-07:00I believe the placebo effect makes me smarter. Bec...I believe the placebo effect makes me smarter. Because it only works on the others. XDSiriushttp://seriousmatters.co.ccnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-68163394334344544162010-10-31T19:23:38.968-07:002010-10-31T19:23:38.968-07:00Wong Sir, 祈禱的作用?
1)鎮驚
2)僥倖活到今日
3)??
Willsin,
cat...Wong Sir, 祈禱的作用?<br />1)鎮驚<br />2)僥倖活到今日<br />3)??<br /><br />Willsin, <br />catcat also feels that wong sir 會阻住我禱告. <br />Also, mami不准catcat在街邊食腸粉. 不過可以買翻屋企食.catcatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-60644733884979520782010-10-31T10:18:21.017-07:002010-10-31T10:18:21.017-07:00Lin,
//Perhaps I should now focus my energy on be...Lin,<br /><br />//Perhaps I should now focus my energy on believing that those beauty products work to restore my youth...//<br /><br />- They may work if you truly believe that they work!W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-34823720484073798342010-10-31T10:15:53.341-07:002010-10-31T10:15:53.341-07:00I love the placebo effect - it gives me hope. I us...I love the placebo effect - it gives me hope. I used to take those "help your body fights against cold/flu before you got sick) kinds of medications such as Airborne thinking that "as long as I believe it works, it could." But all those news sources had it spoil it for me as they published so many "myth-busting" pieces that I couldn't ignore them. <br /><br />i also wanted to believe that I could ward off cold/flu by consuming a large amount of oranges when i feel under the weather....<br /><br />And I tried to take advantage of the placebo effects from religion in that same spirit of "as long as I think I believe" - but my rationality kicked in too strongly. Damn it. <br /><br />Perhaps I should now focus my energy on believing that those beauty products work to restore my youth...linnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-4850807629731847692010-10-31T10:15:39.752-07:002010-10-31T10:15:39.752-07:00willsin,
1. 我不想取代耶穌,也不會阻止你(或任何人)求神拜佛占卜問米,我只會站在一旁搖...willsin,<br /><br />1. 我不想取代耶穌,也不會阻止你(或任何人)求神拜佛占卜問米,我只會站在一旁搖頭嘆息,並更下決心努力教育下一代,做得多少就多少。<br /><br />2. 請問王仔 placebo可以醫甚麼病?W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4010478591191633760.post-49170973641885889882010-10-31T07:57:38.538-07:002010-10-31T07:57:38.538-07:001. 不. 我在飛機想起耶穌的同時亦馬上想起阿王, 我每次向耶穌祈禱的時候, 阿王就會同時在我膊頭的...1. 不. 我在飛機想起耶穌的同時亦馬上想起阿王, 我每次向耶穌祈禱的時候, 阿王就會同時在我膊頭的另一面出現, 他取代不了耶穌但會阻住我禱告.<br /><br />2. 新發明: 王仔 Placebo.<br />每日上一次王仔個 Blog, 就會自以為好理性, 唔使旨意耶穌打救勒.willsinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13511522581504937498noreply@blogger.com